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Dagoth Umbra · Mar 02, 2010, 12:45 PM // 12:45

As the Drunkard title currently works, it is a horrible pain in the rear, a huge boring time expense (or requires a bot tool), and it is a massive waste of alcohol. Literally, out of 10k Dunkard points, 4k of that was wasted. So here is my suggestion.

Anet does an update where all levels of drunkenness count. That means even just drinking a 1 point alcohol will give you 1 point, whereas now, you have to drink three 1 point alcohols to get 1 point towards Drunkard. In addition, being drunk displays an effect icon, so that you can see that you are drunk, and you can see when the effect wears off (and the effect shows when it will end).

On the same day as the update, Anet puts two points of alcohol for every 5 points earned into every player's inventory who has worked towards the Drunkard title. If a player has already maxed out their title, then they would get 4k worth of alcohol (2 points wasted for every 5 points, 2k out 5k points wasted, x2). They could then use that alcohol for other characters, or if they are done with the Drunkard title, sell the alcohol. Also, perhaps increase the max number of alcohols you can consume and still get points to say 10 or even higher, (say 30 so you could stay drunk for 30 minutes, like other consumables).

As for "realism" and the idea that the first two points are you being "buzzed", first, this is a game, second, there are people who are such lightweights that they practically get drunk on one glass of wine. If necessary, you could even take the position of the extreme anti-drinkers who believe (incorrectly) that drinking any amount of alcohol is getting drunk. Whatever, but as it is, the Drunkard title sucks, it is one of if not THE worst title to get, and this change would benefit gameplay with regards to Deldrimor skills.

The players who have already worked towards Drunkard don't get kicked in the nuts, and the players who have not, get orgasmic wootcakes.

Sound off.

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To Chicken To Die · Mar 02, 2010, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Don't be lazy and put some effort and time in a title. This game is not meant to finish over 1 night there are a lot of ways to obtain alchol wich negate the waste and it's your choice if you stand in SJM or whereever and get bored or use it while playing and get it fast without notice. How many time you spend on VQ/AB etc? Don't wanne Don't do it.

Morticia of Cyana · Mar 02, 2010, 01:13 PM // 13:13

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I like the drunkard title the way it is. I had a lot of fun maxing it. It's better then sweet/party, because you don't have to spend time to spam stuff (or worse, zone/die/etc). You can easily max drunkard while playing the game. Having a drunkard on your team is always fun and some pve skills even give you a benefit for being drunk. (drunken master + feel no pain, anyone?)

fires element · Mar 02, 2010, 01:15 PM // 13:15

i don't see the problem with some kind of icon that tells you when you are drunk. most ppl turn off post effects so they can keep playing so the icon would be kind of like a counter on screen so you didn't have to have the hero panel open at all times. they already have an icon that appears when you drink grog so i don't see the problem with having it for other alcohols as well.

Winry Sagara · Mar 02, 2010, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Too easy to accomplish the title in this way.

rokocoko · Mar 02, 2010, 01:50 PM // 13:50

/signed for the icon.

A timer just like the one that appears when you are under Sugar Rush or transformed by using tonics.

As far as money being wasted, I'm drinking only level-5 alcohol, bought at the same price as 3 level-1 drinks; so I'm not wasting any gold.

Dagoth Umbra · Mar 02, 2010, 01:56 PM // 13:56

/facepalm @ Morticia of Cyana's last sentence

That is what I am talking about! I don't want to drink 1 point alcohols because I feel like I am wasting the points if I should want to try for the Drunkard title. Now, if they increase the maximum number of points you can take and still benefit to say 30, but the first two points don't count, that would be fine, I could live with a waste of 30/2 instead of 5/2.

@ Winry Sagara

You still have to get the alcohol in the first place. I've been saving up, including Firewater, and I still don't have enough alcohol I think. Also, remember, some people would want to do this on multiple characters. Maybe on one character it might be "too easy", but on ten? Me thinketh not.

Dagoth Umbra · Mar 02, 2010, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Also, while the title may not be meant to be maxed overnight, at the same time, one should not have to spend hours porting back and forth between your GH and a town in order to maximize your efficiency. With Party Animal and Sweet Tooth, I know that every point I consume applies, and I can use them as I see fit. I could choose to just have tonics on my character and whenever I load into a town, I could use two of them, without specifically trying to max the title, it would come eventually. But with alcohol, that is not the case.

Shadow Feathers · Mar 02, 2010, 02:10 PM // 14:10

I maxed mine while turning off the post process effects while spending quality time in JQ and Ft Aspenwood. Just leave your title screen open and drink as you play, it's really not that hard. I don't see where anything needs changed.

MagmaRed · Mar 02, 2010, 02:13 PM // 14:13

Although I hated working on it (no PvE skills to use while drunk at the time) I saw Drunkard as one of the best designed titles in the game. But I won't do it again, I don't see a need to do it on more than 1 character. Although this is a fantasy game there is some realism involved. As you noted, people do not get drunk off of 1 drink typically. It takes strong alcohol, and/or several drinks before someone gets drunk. This is what the alcohol in GW is doing, requiring people to drink enough of it to actually get drunk.

Only 2 changes would I be happy to see. The icon (which exists for Grog), and the ability to increase the 'max' drunk level. At 5 you can only get 3 points to the title, and I realize (sticking with the realism) too much would not work (alcohol poisoning, unconsciousness, etc.). But increasing it to 10 seems reasonable to me, allow some easier management of the alcohol being used.

Johny bravo · Mar 02, 2010, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Hmm lets see if the drunkard title is a measure of the time you have been drunk. It doesn't make sense to start counting at one as tere are very few people I know of that can get drunk of one beer.

I have an idea Anet can do a qualifying drunk test. If you are a lightwieght and can't handle 1 beer then you can get your stats changed. If you aren't of legal age yet they will ban your account and send the cops to your house to arrest you for underage drinking.

Seriously though, there is nothing wrong with the title as it is. You can get it if you drink while playing and if you don't want to waste level 1 alcohol on PvE skill use level 3, you will still get your point and you can just keep yourself at level 3, or 5 if you chose, using 1 point alcohol. Thats what I did and it worked fine

Kook~NBK~ · Mar 02, 2010, 02:57 PM // 14:57

/signed for an icon/meter. It's not necessary because you can use your hero window (opened to show drunkard progress) as a timer (while in town), but it sure would un-clutter your screen, which would definitely be nice to have when out exploring.

/not signed for the rest. One thing that sets drunkard apart from sweet/party titles (other than the 166 ours it takes to max) is that it takes a tiny bit of strategy to make the most effective use of the booze at hand. I like to go through my one minute drinks when hanging out in town after taking a swig from a keg and pop off a 3 minute one every once in a while when out exploring & stuff. Besides, booze isn't hard to come by, making it fairly cheap - 100g per minute (less when buying kegs). If you're paying more than that, you're doing it wrong.

To Chicken To Die · Mar 02, 2010, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagoth Umbra

Also, while the title may not be meant to be maxed overnight, at the same time, one should not have to spend hours porting back and forth between your GH and a town in order to maximize your efficiency.

Then don't. use 1 min lvl alchol while PLAYING the game. Not that hard to have your hero panel opend.

You think 2 min is a waste but you can maintain your lvl buy using a new drink every 1-3 min. And you say lvl-5 alchol is always a 2 min waste but look at these types as max lvl alchol (boost you lvl to max) and try using them in the best way (every 3 min) to gain max use of them.

Avater: Don't know why it is only exclusive to Grog but using you hero panel is the same so why would A-net bother making one for every alcohol

Leohan · Mar 02, 2010, 03:15 PM // 15:15

-If you use a bot for this title your missing the point of what the title is about.
-Yes an icon timer like skills have would be nice in the effects U.I. box but, Windows as a little thing called a clock/stop watch/countdown timer. If you don't have it there are plenty of 3rd party solutions.
-Giving people free points in the title is dumb, just like giving out the free tourny points (yes I know why Anet did it)... was still dumb to give every account existing points.

We already have spam titles making drunkard one doesn't bring anything new to the game and just cheapens everyone's accomplishment in achieving it.
I believe in Titles having some meaning behind them not how much gold or how fast you or your macro/bot program can click.

Although I'm negative on most of your ideas, the U.I. effects timer icon is a good one, doubt Anet would even consider putting men power on it though.

Kopa The Demon King · Mar 02, 2010, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Ill give a big old /facepalm at the OP, you need 3 points to get started...you have 3 minutes of drunk to go through its not a waste, you get the same amount, and yes there will ALWAYS be overlap. If you cant handle the actual need to use the alchohol, or are angry at it, either A) dont go for the title, there are PLENTY of others, or B) download a damn drunk bot...

Honestly I like useing the booze, its fun, its interesting to see the screen, its hella fun to play while intoxicated, and when you're sitting around waiting to sell something, or chatting with people, or just sitting around doing nothing, you can just click away every minute or every three minutes.

If you dont want to waste booze, use level 5 booze, all 3 minutes end up in your title, and use every four minutes if youre so cheap you dont want to waste even a second, because the rank 3 will alway cause you to be intoxicated, and you will get the full 3 minutes out of it. DONE AND DONE, this is not a necesity for change, and i dont think it would be worth changeing it just because people are lazy/cheap.

ALSO- just because they gave us Z-keys for the tourny house being closed doesnt mean they will do the same for this. I doubt IF EVER they change this mechanic, will they add the wasted time to the title, or give members alchohol they wasted in their inventory, not to mention i dont see this as fair, whos to say you dont have it maxed on a couple characters and just want this for the cash? who knows.

Work for the title how it is, the ONLY thing i see this needing is a drunk bar, but they have timers for that, and if you dont want one, you CAN play windowed mode, and watch the clock on the start bar. Hell use grog, that has an effect icon that can measure your drunk time. (P.S. why is grog such a strong drink...its rum that's watered down to increace the amount of drink you have, because water in itsself gets slimy on ships for months

MAKE RUM!)

SkekSister · Mar 02, 2010, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Put drunken master on your bar & drink while you vanquish and do dungeons, you'd be amazed how fast you rack up minutes.

thunder boy · Mar 02, 2010, 06:06 PM // 18:06

/signed for timer or some sort

i usually have my hero tab open to try keep track of my minutes but during gameplay i easily lose track of time lol

dsielschott · Mar 02, 2010, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkekSister

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Put drunken master on your bar & drink while you vanquish and do dungeons, you'd be amazed how fast you rack up minutes.

well actually u still only get 1 minute per actual minute.....doesn't make it go any faster.....

THAT BEING SAID:

I don't like the idea of giving points to and alcohol back to maxed drunkards already....
I myself am at 3k into my drunkenness....i hate it but I still do it.....

That being said I do like the suggestion for an icon to let you know how much time you have left.....such as with Grog....y not do that for all alcohol? It could change colors for whtn you are lvl 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 just so you know.....I also would like it if you could be able to amass more than lvl 5...say raise it to 10 min incraments.....id even be happy with 5 min. incraments.....

but as it is the title does suck, but i am still doing it sooooo, ya I mainly want a little ICON to let me know my lvl of drunkenness (plz anet plz)

10,000 minutes of real life = is 166.6666666 hrs
166.6666 hrs = 6.94 days.....
so basically 7 full time days without a break to max this title...... really not that much

Johny bravo · Mar 02, 2010, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I find it hard to believe that there is no UI mod you can use to let you know when you have to use another level 1 to keep you in the drunk zone. I did it just keeping my title window up and watching the minutes as I vanquished. Towards the end I used a timer running in the background that went off every 3 minutes to remind me to use a new one

Shadow Feathers · Mar 02, 2010, 06:26 PM // 18:26

You don't need a timer, open your title track and watch the time elapse that way or are we just lazy ? I'm thinking the later because if you can't play with that displayed somewhere in the corner you need to move on to a new game.

If you use a bot, if there is such a thing as that for this title, you need to be shot.